John Ellis, former consultant to Roger Ailes and founder and editor in chief of News Items, talks to Katie Couric about the defamation lawsuit between Fox News and Dominion. Ellis explains how ratings were what drove Fox to promote the idea of the rigged election, how he thinks Rupert Murdoch is feeling right now, the fate of Fox News anchors and executives who participated in the alleged defamation, how likely it is that the case will go to trial or if the two sides will settle, and how a $500 million settlement would impact Fox.

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00:00 Why Fox News decided to promote the idea of a rigged presidential election
02:53 John Ellis shares his reaction to seeing internal emails and texts from Fox employees
04:15 Understanding of how important Fox News Channel is to Fox Corporation
05:44 How Fox News Anchors and producers did nothing to stop those making false assertions
07:11 How unethical was what Fox News did?
08:28 John Ellis surmises that Rupert Murdoch is feeling incredibly embarrassed by the lawsuit
09:25 Was Rupert Murdoch pulling the strings behind the scenes
10:45 Why Roger Ailes would not have let this go as far as it did
12:13 The leadership vacuum at Fox News caused by talent having too much power
13:01 What is the fate of Fox News anchors and executives that participated in the alleged defamation
15:00 Has Dominion presented enough evidence to prove Fox’s claims hurt their business?
16:04 Is this a textbook case of malice?
16:55 What might happen with the lawsuit filed by Smartmatic
17:32 How likely is it that the case will go to trial
18:38 If Fox has to make an apology, will it alienate their viewers?
20:13 How would a $500million settlement impact Fox
23:25 What does this lawsuit portend for the future of defamation cases?